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		<title>By: Robert Sweetnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Sweetnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have to be elected to public office to have an opinion on the treaty and to dispel some of the myths that were put out there by the no campaign.

YoughalOnline happened to be kind enough to ask me if I would be interested in writing a piece and I obliged. Simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have to be elected to public office to have an opinion on the treaty and to dispel some of the myths that were put out there by the no campaign.</p>
<p>YoughalOnline happened to be kind enough to ask me if I would be interested in writing a piece and I obliged. Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: mr x</title>
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		<dc:creator>mr x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert - You did not make it as a councillor in June right? Why are you acting as if you did?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8211; You did not make it as a councillor in June right? Why are you acting as if you did?</p>
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		<title>By: One Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done guys. You don&#039;t have to worry... at least for now. Big businesses are coming. Isn&#039;t that what everybody wants: more money?

http://notolisbontreaty.blogsome.com/2009/10/03/democracy-is-officially-dead-in-eu/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done guys. You don&#8217;t have to worry&#8230; at least for now. Big businesses are coming. Isn&#8217;t that what everybody wants: more money?</p>
<p><a href="http://notolisbontreaty.blogsome.com/2009/10/03/democracy-is-officially-dead-in-eu/" rel="nofollow">http://notolisbontreaty.blogsome.com/2009/10/03/democracy-is-officially-dead-in-eu/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Sweetnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Sweetnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One Man - with respect, regarding Article 42, from the government&#039;s whitepaper on the treaty available here: http://www.lisbontreaty.ie/whitepaper/chapte6.asp it appears that you are wrong.

&quot;The provisions of the Lisbon Treaty in the security and defence area are fully consistent with Ireland’s traditional policy of military neutrality. This is stated explicitly in the Decision adopted at the June 2009 European Council which will be attached to the Treaties as a Protocol at a later date. In the Treaties, the existing statement that the Union’s policy in this area “shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States” is maintained, along with the requirement for unanimity in relation to the launching of any mission. In order to remain fully consistent with the differing security and defence traditions of all the Member States, the Treaty also recognises the position of those Member States that are members of NATO.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Man &#8211; with respect, regarding Article 42, from the government&#8217;s whitepaper on the treaty available here: <a href="http://www.lisbontreaty.ie/whitepaper/chapte6.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.lisbontreaty.ie/whitepaper/chapte6.asp</a> it appears that you are wrong.</p>
<p>&#8220;The provisions of the Lisbon Treaty in the security and defence area are fully consistent with Ireland’s traditional policy of military neutrality. This is stated explicitly in the Decision adopted at the June 2009 European Council which will be attached to the Treaties as a Protocol at a later date. In the Treaties, the existing statement that the Union’s policy in this area “shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States” is maintained, along with the requirement for unanimity in relation to the launching of any mission. In order to remain fully consistent with the differing security and defence traditions of all the Member States, the Treaty also recognises the position of those Member States that are members of NATO.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: One Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,
In my opinion you are wrong (and inducing others to wrongness):

&lt;i&gt;The Lisbon Treaty will result in a more democratic European parliament
False&lt;/i&gt;
There are no democratic European parliament until it is an instrument of the all power decisive Commission.

&lt;i&gt;The Lisbon treaty will have no bearing on Ireland’s neutrality
False&lt;/i&gt;
It will, indeed, affect Irish neutrality. Read the latest post here, please:
http://notolisbontreaty.blogsome.com/

I could go on, but I&#039;m an ordinary Portuguese working guy and I have no more spare time for the moment. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,<br />
In my opinion you are wrong (and inducing others to wrongness):</p>
<p><i>The Lisbon Treaty will result in a more democratic European parliament<br />
False</i><br />
There are no democratic European parliament until it is an instrument of the all power decisive Commission.</p>
<p><i>The Lisbon treaty will have no bearing on Ireland’s neutrality<br />
False</i><br />
It will, indeed, affect Irish neutrality. Read the latest post here, please:<br />
<a href="http://notolisbontreaty.blogsome.com/" rel="nofollow">http://notolisbontreaty.blogsome.com/</a></p>
<p>I could go on, but I&#8217;m an ordinary Portuguese working guy and I have no more spare time for the moment. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see you contributing once again, Bob.

I heard Gerreh on Morning Ireland earlier, he didn&#039;t convince me, but then again, he rarely does.

Ulick McEvaddy and his blustering the day before didn&#039;t either.

Sinn Fein&#039;s conduct both in terms of economic policy (they don&#039;t have one) and failure to condemn the behaviour of their lunatic fringe (the downright attempts to intimidate Eamon Gilmore and the SDLP in Dundalk, Ferris Snr. turning up on taxi duty for the killers of Gda McCabe-as well as Ferris Jnr&#039;s earlier failure to condemn the attack while doing a Basic Instinct number on Pat Kenny) doesn&#039;t exactly inspire confidence in me.

As far as Ganley goes, which isn&#039;t far, his posters of tearful children on lighting columns up and down the country have been paid for by anti-Lisbonites in the UK, so he wouldn&#039;t want to be moaning much about political funding. 

Cowen was on the last word this evening, and spoke quite well, once he limited himself to the Lisbon vote. For once I agree with him, and think a yes vote is the way to go.

At least those in the Yes camp can explain themselves without interrupting, intimidating, and misleading those on the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see you contributing once again, Bob.</p>
<p>I heard Gerreh on Morning Ireland earlier, he didn&#8217;t convince me, but then again, he rarely does.</p>
<p>Ulick McEvaddy and his blustering the day before didn&#8217;t either.</p>
<p>Sinn Fein&#8217;s conduct both in terms of economic policy (they don&#8217;t have one) and failure to condemn the behaviour of their lunatic fringe (the downright attempts to intimidate Eamon Gilmore and the SDLP in Dundalk, Ferris Snr. turning up on taxi duty for the killers of Gda McCabe-as well as Ferris Jnr&#8217;s earlier failure to condemn the attack while doing a Basic Instinct number on Pat Kenny) doesn&#8217;t exactly inspire confidence in me.</p>
<p>As far as Ganley goes, which isn&#8217;t far, his posters of tearful children on lighting columns up and down the country have been paid for by anti-Lisbonites in the UK, so he wouldn&#8217;t want to be moaning much about political funding. </p>
<p>Cowen was on the last word this evening, and spoke quite well, once he limited himself to the Lisbon vote. For once I agree with him, and think a yes vote is the way to go.</p>
<p>At least those in the Yes camp can explain themselves without interrupting, intimidating, and misleading those on the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Sweetnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Sweetnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cormac - It was interesting to see our two Sinn Fein councillors distributing flyers down town today. I had a look at one and there is a big smiling picture of Gerry Adams with his full title as the caption. Namely Gerry Adams MP! I think pretty much everything about Sinn Fein these days is ironic.

lighthouse - I don&#039;t think it will go to a third vote. At least that is what Brian Cowen said today but then again it is hard to believe anythign that comes out of any Fianna Fail minister&#039;s mouth these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cormac &#8211; It was interesting to see our two Sinn Fein councillors distributing flyers down town today. I had a look at one and there is a big smiling picture of Gerry Adams with his full title as the caption. Namely Gerry Adams MP! I think pretty much everything about Sinn Fein these days is ironic.</p>
<p>lighthouse &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it will go to a third vote. At least that is what Brian Cowen said today but then again it is hard to believe anythign that comes out of any Fianna Fail minister&#8217;s mouth these days.</p>
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		<title>By: lighthouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>lighthouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still, the question is too:
Will all of the rest of Europe really accept a second No from Ireland...

Several are saying they&#039;ll go their own way, not let Ireland stop them - and it is to some extent understandable, although the 
initial position called for everyone&#039;s agreement.

In such a case, what&#039;s left for Ireland?
That&#039;s right, yet another vote...

For those who don&#039;t know the &#039;story&#039; behind this vote...;-)

&lt;b&gt;A Bedtime Story for all Nice Children and not so Maastricht Adults&lt;/b&gt;


http://ceolas.net/#eu7x

 

The Happy Family


Once upon a time there was a family treaty-ing themselves to a visit in Lisbon.
On the sunny day that it was they decided to go out together.
Everyone had to agree on what they would do.
&quot;So&quot;, said Daddy Brusselsprout &quot;Let&#039;s all go for a picnic!&quot;
&quot;No&quot;, said Aunt Erin, &quot;I don&#039;t want to&quot;.
Did they then think of something else, that they might indeed agree on?
Oh yes they did?
Oh no they didn&#039;t!
Daddy Brusselsprout asked all the others anyway, isolating Erin, and then asked her if instead, she would like to go with them to 
the park and eat out of a lunch basket....


Kids, we&#039;ll finish this story tomorrow, and remember, in the EU yes means yes and no means yes as well!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, the question is too:<br />
Will all of the rest of Europe really accept a second No from Ireland&#8230;</p>
<p>Several are saying they&#8217;ll go their own way, not let Ireland stop them &#8211; and it is to some extent understandable, although the<br />
initial position called for everyone&#8217;s agreement.</p>
<p>In such a case, what&#8217;s left for Ireland?<br />
That&#8217;s right, yet another vote&#8230;</p>
<p>For those who don&#8217;t know the &#8216;story&#8217; behind this vote&#8230;;-)</p>
<p><b>A Bedtime Story for all Nice Children and not so Maastricht Adults</b></p>
<p><a href="http://ceolas.net/#eu7x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#eu7x</a></p>
<p>The Happy Family</p>
<p>Once upon a time there was a family treaty-ing themselves to a visit in Lisbon.<br />
On the sunny day that it was they decided to go out together.<br />
Everyone had to agree on what they would do.<br />
&#8220;So&#8221;, said Daddy Brusselsprout &#8220;Let&#8217;s all go for a picnic!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No&#8221;, said Aunt Erin, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to&#8221;.<br />
Did they then think of something else, that they might indeed agree on?<br />
Oh yes they did?<br />
Oh no they didn&#8217;t!<br />
Daddy Brusselsprout asked all the others anyway, isolating Erin, and then asked her if instead, she would like to go with them to<br />
the park and eat out of a lunch basket&#8230;.</p>
<p>Kids, we&#8217;ll finish this story tomorrow, and remember, in the EU yes means yes and no means yes as well!<br />
.</p>
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		<title>By: Cormac O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cormac O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well done Robert. I hope the people of youghal listen to you and not that awful sinn fein propaganda that is being peddled. The most irionic thing about sinn fein&#039;s position is that their biggest supporters lie across the Irish sea in the most eurosceptic wing of the conservative party and the UK independence party. If Ireland votes no, then there will almost cetianly be a referendum in Britain, which will pave the way for the country&#039;s eventual withdrawal from the EU. That will open up the possibility of a two tier europe, with Ireland once again a minor player and overly dependent on the UK. Is that what you call sovereignty sinn fein?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well done Robert. I hope the people of youghal listen to you and not that awful sinn fein propaganda that is being peddled. The most irionic thing about sinn fein&#8217;s position is that their biggest supporters lie across the Irish sea in the most eurosceptic wing of the conservative party and the UK independence party. If Ireland votes no, then there will almost cetianly be a referendum in Britain, which will pave the way for the country&#8217;s eventual withdrawal from the EU. That will open up the possibility of a two tier europe, with Ireland once again a minor player and overly dependent on the UK. Is that what you call sovereignty sinn fein?</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Pearce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that the E.U is looking to take away sovereignty over sensitive matters such as abortion is just plain daft. &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.right2bet.net/community/blog/2009/09/the-dutch-gambling-regime-whats-the-situation-and-why-should-i-care.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;look&lt;/A&gt; at what the dutch get away with in regards to gambling law, a similarly sensitive topic the E.U have shyed away from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that the E.U is looking to take away sovereignty over sensitive matters such as abortion is just plain daft. <a HREF="http://www.right2bet.net/community/blog/2009/09/the-dutch-gambling-regime-whats-the-situation-and-why-should-i-care.php" rel="nofollow">look</a> at what the dutch get away with in regards to gambling law, a similarly sensitive topic the E.U have shyed away from.</p>
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